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gotrootdude
23rd July 2006, 06:57
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First let me state that I am not a doctor. I do not hold any degrees in any field. I primarily work as a computer tech, programmer, engineer, accountant, purchasing agent, business manager, network designer, radio tech, etc. If it's technical and needs doing, I try to do it for the companies I work for, and normally succeed in my efforts. I'm entirely self taught. (Jack of all trades)

I do not promise my results. My results have been due to using myself as a human guinea pig. Some of the information I've used for my self experimentation is either recently released, or still in clinical trials. Even though what I've done seems to be working for me, it will not work for everyone, there are many reasons for dental decay, and my experiments do not attempt to treat all of them.

I'm 37 years old and have not seen a dentist since high school. It was both due to fear, and money. My job lost it's dental care insurance, and I cancelled my wife's and my health insurance due to it's high cost and to allow us to gain some savings. I attempted to get a loan for dental work, but I was denied for "lack of credit" since I've never charged anything in my life. I have five small children, so even though I have a bit of money in the bank, it's never enough to keep from worrying about the kids having an emergency of some sort. My family always comes before myself.

Everything was going as planned up until around 5 years ago. At that time, all of a sudden, my teeth started rapidly demineralizing and falling apart. It was like something out of a horror show. I developed cavities in almost every tooth. None of my teeth were particularly painful, and there was no inflamation, but it was embarrasing to smile, and I couldn't eat without dental floss close at hand to remove the food from the gaps the cavities made. (If you have a cavity, and you notice any kind of pain, or inflamation, then please notify a dentist immediately! I do not want to be responsible for someone's lack of attention to a serious infection! People have died from ignoring dental pain!)

Researching the problem, I found that there are several reasons for cavities. There's bacteria (which everyone knows about but everyone attributes to sugar), there's alkalosis (expelling more CO2 than your body brings in, which is acidic and detrimental to your teeth, caused by various medical issues), there's lack of saliva (can be from another medical issue), there's hyperparathyroidism resulting in calcemia, unexplained calcemia, there's calcium-phosporous and or vitimin deficiency, there's unknown genetic predispositions, disease, etc, etc. I probably could go on listing reasons all day, some definately proven, some just believed, and some still being researched.

Since I've only been sick a few days out of my life, I decided my teeth problem probably wasn't due to a immune deficiency.

I decided to attack as many causes I could, in the best way I could think of.

First, I changed my eating and drinking habits by cutting out heavy starches and sugars as much as possible, drinking a bit more milk (one or two glasses a night) (Too much calcium can actually induce alkalosis and worsen the situation), and eating more vegetables. I figured this would cure any mineral deficiency.

Next, I ordered a mouth moisturizing gel, which encluded several polypeptides believed to reduce and control the streptococcus mutans bacteria (lactoperoxidase, lysozyme, glucose oxidase, and lactoferrin). I thought that this would help if I had a dry mouth problem. Now, I apply the product each night before bed.
(I'm not endorsing any product, but to save people time, the brand I bought was biotene)

Next, while exploring recent science news, I came across a mention of a bone substitute material (BSM trademarked, sold through Johnson and Johnson), which would turn into real bone over time. It was made from a chemical formulary containing bioactive glass, something discovered back in 1960, and used to aid soldiers in vietnam. Bioactive glass is a calcium phosphosilica mixture that contains sodium, it reacts with water to cause the glass to plate out of solution into hydroxy calcium apatite crystals which over time and cooperation with your body's healing processes, become synonomous to bone. I searched for further information, and found a dental toothpaste, and whitener, released recently on the market for consumers (not just dentists) containing the proper mixture of bioactive glass for aiding in rebuilding tooth enamel. Whenever it's used, it leaves a microthin layer of crystals behind that quickly can become a layer of real enamel.
I also found that this bioactive glass mixture had shown in studies a large reduction in gum disease, and blocked the tubules and small grooves in the teeth where bacteria commonly hid, and with proper hygene, resulted in a drop in bacteria. The company who sells the toothpaste, and the whitener is Oravive. The Bioactive glass ingrediet is made by Novamin. I use the toothpaste after each meal, and the whitener once daily.

Anyway, here's the good point. After several weeks of use (more than a couple of months, less than a year), I can happily report that all of my smaller cavities have completely healed, there's no longer any holes, they have completely filled in, and I can visibly tell that the two larger cavities are also very slowly getting smaller, and the surrounding dentin/enamel is no longer showing any discoloration! This was all accomplished without drilling, and without fillings! [smiley=jumping.gif]

Also, my teeth are becoming much whiter, I can smile again without embarrasment, and I can chew with my molars again without having to worry! I still need the floss after taking each bite, due to a shrinking cavity between two teeth, but I'm hoping it won't be for too long, I can handle waiting a few years for the two large ones to heal completely.

Recently, there's been news out of Canada about a group using ultrasound in the 1-2khz range to regrow teeth. I've ordered a few small tranducers, a 555 timing chip, and a few other electrical supplies to see if I can't speed the rebuilding process up any more. It will be tricky, as anything I build will be much larger than the canadian device, determining the correct focus of the transducer requires a bit of work, and determining the signal strength and dispersment to rebuild without tissue damage occuring will be tricky, but I believe I can do it.

I'm also wondering about building the device with a bit of current leak from the mouthpiece though a dielectric flouride paste to attempt to increase remineralizing ionization, yet it's going to take awhile to get it all together.

I'll report any more positive results! If I misspelled anything, I apologize, It's late, I'm tired, I'm from the south, and I wanted to get my success story out.

If the person reading this is a dentist, please take note of the products I'm using, and give them a look. I won't go as far as recommending to stop treating cavities with fillings and drilling, but this information may help save your patients from future harm. Everything I've said is true. It worked for me. But, I've done massive amounts of research, and I know it's not a cure for everyone, we're still waiting for that.

Feel free to contact me or reply. I'll try to reply back, but I'm extremely busy putting in a new phone system, a new voip exchange, a security system, doing bookkeeping, finishing a optical record storage system, etc. Wish my job was simple. :(

Flosser47
26th July 2006, 00:55
Wow, I don't know what to say. That's amazing. I have no doubt that in the future sometime "healing" cavities will be the norm.

gotrootdude
26th July 2006, 17:01
I noticed the admin's addition to my post. *I totally agree with it. *Your body is not something to take risks with. *

*I'd like to add that over the counter mineral and vitamin suppliments can also prove harmful, and should be taken with extreme caution. *


Posted by: Flosser47
I have no doubt that in the future sometime "healing" cavities will be the norm.


Maybe for some, I don't see a cure on the horizon for all, there's just too many reasons for dental decay. *What works for one will not work for all. *Finding a cure for dental illness is akin to finding a cure for cancer. *There's too many variables to consider. * What I've posted is NOT a cure! * * It will not work for all people!

*I'm probably being incredibly stupid to try such experimentation in the first place, and I consider myself fairly educated, but nowhere as educated as a professional. * *A much more intelligent approach would have been to see a dentist! *It's their job to research technology and refer the patient to the proper course of action.

*If a person is suffering from a bacterial infection, and mineral reabsorption, you can fix one reason while totally missing the other. *Resulting in the same condition of deminerallization and decay. *Plus,the reasons and correct treatment for the mineral absorbtion and/or the bacterial infection may prove extremely complex. *

*For example, the Healozone advertised here: *http://www.dentalfearcentral.org/fun_dentistry.html sounds wonderful, but shouldn't be referred to as a panacea, because even if you kill all the bacteria causing the infection, there may be too much damage to the odontoblast, or a lack of the proper collagen being expressed, a biological reason for bone reabsorption, unbalanced oral flora, or another underlying cause, etc, that makes the treatment fail, or fail over time. * *

All I can say for sure, is that dental technology is improving rapidly at this time. *Society, as a whole, is moving from a macroscopic view of it's surroundings to a nanoscopic view, improving our understanding at a biological and molecular level.




*

melodyl
13th August 2006, 14:50
Boy oh Boy!!!Do I wish I had your brain!!!!

I used to fill my cavities with a product called DentTemp.

I did this for years, just to get out of going to a dentist.

I never heard of a toothpaste that fills in cavities.

What's next on the horizon?? Producing embryos without wisdom teeth.
Now wouldn't that be a hoot?

Cusomize the embryo's mouth. The teeth would grow and stay in the mouth. No more baby teeth. Just one set of teeth, and no wisdom teeth.

No body could get a cavity because the teeth themselves would repel decay.

You and I won't be alive when this happens but wouldn't that be a marvelous thing?

No more dental phobia in this world!!!!

Now that's something to think about!!!

Melody

dental_hell
13th August 2006, 20:57
LOL Melody! YOu know that some women with ovarian cysts have been found to have "grown" teeth inside the cysts? It's called a dermoid cyst, I think. Weird how the body works!!
dental_hell

gotrootdude
14th August 2006, 17:02
I never heard of a toothpaste that fills in cavities.



The toothpaste is simply supplying the materials needed for healing. *There's several materials on the market that can aid healing in this manner, some are added to chewing gum, Xylitol, ReCaldent, etc. *I've noticed some mouthwashes are now including such materials. *The toothpaste I use is not for filling in the cavities. *In fact, it would be better to get the filling if it's needed, the filling materials used today are much stronger than the dentin the teeth are made of. *As long as the bond between the filling and the dentin is tight enough to prevent bacteria from infiltrating between the tooth and the filling, and there's not any biological predisposition, the filling should last. *The toothpaste can aid in the healing of smaller cavities, and help prevent larger cavities from progressing.

*Keep in mind that I haven't relied solely on the toothpaste. *I've also had to make radical changes in my diet and lifestyle. *I've removed refined sugars, and foods that could aid the formation of S. mutans bacteria. *I've added foods that have shown in clinical trails to fight against S. mutans. *(ie. cranberry juice for it's reduction in the production of S. mutans biofilm, waxy green vegetables for polycosinals, etc.) * I've added a high end electric toothbrush (seems to clean better than a manual) and flossers to my arsenal. *I've taken to flossing and rinsing after every meal. *I've researched and researched, and tried to take any steps I could toward making my mouth inhospitable to the bacteria responsible.

*I've also found that it's not only my teeth that have undergone possitive change due to my change in lifestyle. *I've gone from a 32 inch waist to a 30 inch waist. *I look and feel so much healthier than before. *

*To prevent tooth decay, and possibly heal small cavities takes some drastic measures and life changes. *But, I for one, will never look back. *I'm very happy with the effects.

melodyl
14th August 2006, 20:39
For the past six months, I have done exactly as you have done. used the electric (Oral B Pro) toothbrush. Flossed, no refined sugars (I'm diabetic).

I eat lots of green leafy vegetables. *I don't eat any red meat, haven't for many many years. Just plenty of fish, veggies, produce and fresh fruit. *Nothing refined, no artificial anything.

Oh, since I can't use sugar, and my doctor doesn't like aspartame or sweet and low, he does say I can use splenda. So in a cup of coffee I use one splenda.

I also don't drink anything with nutrasweet (aspartame). *I use the stuff with splenda or I just drink water.

I lost almost 27 lbs. my sugar is stablized. And I (for the first time in my entire life), went out and bought a nice yellow skirt. *Imagine that. *Always wore black and dark colors.

It all started with my finding my nice dentist who did my mouth, gave me some amount of self confidence, I decided to change the other health issues I had and it all comes together nicely.

Now I go walking every day listening to my ipod and don't miss the potato chips (murder on the teeth by the way). twinkies, ho-ho's, all that creme filled junk. *Haven't had a cavity, thank goodness in I don't know how long.

Oh, and this is interesting. I once had a conversation with a dentist many years ago. I asked him "what's the worst thing a person can eat for their teeth"? *and I figured he would say potato chips because that's what all the other guys would say.

Guess what he replied "RAISINS". *He called it dental napalm.

I never forgot that conversation. *Maybe the raisins turn to sugar in the mouth. Have no idea but I never eat them.

Just wanted to share.

Melody

gotrootdude
15th August 2006, 02:46
I also don't drink anything with nutrasweet (aspartame). *I use the stuff with splenda or I just drink water.


Sucralose (splenda) is a excellent sweetner, 600 time sweeter than sugar, that causes very little harm. *Potassium Acesulfame (Sunett) is another, it's 80 time sweeter than sugar. * Ideally, no sweetner is best.

I find it amazing that the reason cats don't like candy is because cat's lack the taste buds for sweetness. :)

melodyl
15th August 2006, 14:25
Cats don't like candy!!!!! Who would thunk that!!!!!

Hurray for Splenda!!!

melody

CodeWarrior
21st August 2006, 13:58
I wonder if this bone substitute you refer to might be amorphous calcium phosphate. I understand they are now formulating filling materials (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1507380.stm) out of this that transform in to enamel over time. Granted They don't seem to think it will work for large cavities but your results with your larger cavities seem to suggest they may be being over cautious and that the process may simply take longer. Incidentally there is also talk of synthetic enamel (http://www.news-medical.net/?id=7953) being used for fillings in the future although once again they don't seem to think it will work for large cavities for some unspecified reason. Given my personal angst with filling materials I feel anything that provides an alternative to conventional filling materials must be good.

Andria
21st August 2006, 14:48
Wow,

Just read all your posts for first time. :o

I think your brave for wanting to find an alternative to fillings and for trying it out on yorself. :)

You have obviously carried out lots of research and made an informed decision. :P

However, I personally would be scared [smiley=scared.gif] of doing more harm than good, that would maybe eventually lead to me having to have more dental work as a result in the future. But thats just because of my phobias and obsessions i have regarding my teeth and wanting to keep them as long as i can.

If it did become common practice in dentist surgeries than it would be a welcome change from the dentists drill. ;D We can only hope, medicine changes and progresses all the time so one day it may be the norm.

who knows.

gotrootdude
21st August 2006, 21:32
I'm extremely scared of doing more harm than good. In fact, one of the reasons I'm doing this is because of bad experiences where I've had two teeth painfully repaired and lost them anyway.

I keep a constant eye on the state my teeth are in, any resulting pain, etc. I exam every cavity for expansion, color changes, etc. So far, I've had several small cavities visibly heal up, the larger ones have taken on a healty white color inside of them, as opposed to a yellow-orange-brown appearance they had before I started, but I'm not taking any chances. The first hint of swelling, pain, or widening from any cavity and I'll be at the dentist chair. So far, so good.

Even if none of my three remaining cavities show signs of having active infection and/or expansion, I'll probably still end up getting them filled. I believe that the steps I've taken to promote my teeth healing themselves may take way too long of time to make any real difference with larger cavities.

Andria
22nd August 2006, 19:25
I still think your brave for trying this treatment , because of the bad experiences you've had with fillings and i'm sorry to hear about it. [smiley=hug.gif] If it helps you cope with your phobias etc then that can only be a good thing.

CodeWarrior
25th August 2006, 20:22
I'm sorry to be a pest but has any one else tried any of these products? More to the point does any one know where you might expect to find them in the uk?

I wonder why no one has tried making a filling materiel based on a mix of amorphous calcium phosphate and synthetic grains of hydroxylapatite. I doubt the body would distinguish the synthetic hydroxylapatite from the natural hydroxylapatite of which the enamel is mostly composed. It would probably nit the lose grains together with the existing enamel as part of the re-mineralisation process. That said the process might require the crystal grains to be properly alined with each other and the crystal lattice in the enamel to get re-mineralisation at any sort of speed and to ensure the strength of the new 'enamel'.

~

In fact I've just just looked it up. There are 'rods' of oriented hydroxylapatite in natural enamel pointing from root to crown connected by randomly oriented hydroxylapatite called inter rod enamel. If you found a way to orient rod like crystal grains of hydroxylapatite in a amorphous calcium phosphate based polymer as it cured the natural re-mineralisation process would probably convert the ACP to inter rod enamel. The synthetic crystals would give 'anchors' for re-mineralisation to occur through out the filing rather than just at the edges making it more rapid too. hum just a random musing.

gotrootdude
25th August 2006, 20:40
Granted They don't seem to think it will work for large cavities but your results with your larger cavities seem to suggest they may be being over cautious and that the process may simply take longer.


My results have been in line with what they expected. *Smaller noticeable cavities have turned color to look like healthy enamel (healed). *None of my larger cavities have yet healed, but have also turned healty looking and smooth and ceased progression, yet I haven't quite given up hope. *It may build up new enamel over time, yet I don't really believe it's going to replace large missing areas. *


Hurray for Splenda!!!


You may want to look up "Stevia" and "Lo Han Gua" as no calorie sweetners. *They may be healthier alternatives, especially for diabetics.

CodeWarrior
25th August 2006, 21:56
My results have been in line with what they expected. *Smaller noticeable cavities have turned color to look like healthy enamel (healed). *None of my larger cavities have yet healed, but have also turned healty looking and smooth and ceased progression, yet I haven't quite given up hope. *It may build up new enamel over time, yet I don't really believe it's going to replace large missing areas.

I can visibly tell that the two larger cavities are also very slowly getting smaller

I'm confused. Surly your cavities are improving or not? If they are shrinking and this continues then surly they will eventually heal. This would suggest it's simply a matter of the process being too slow for larger cavities.

gotrootdude
26th August 2006, 00:38
This would suggest it's simply a matter of the process being too slow for larger cavities.


Exactly. *That's what I'm seeing firsthand.



Surly your cavities are improving or not?


Definitely improving. *
The smaller ones have definitely closed up. My larger cavities do seem to have shrunk, but the time the process has taken may make it too long a period of time to replace the missing part of the tooth, in the case of larger cavities to satisfy myself or anybody else. *It's very apparent that this isn't a fast process.

**I can verify that it has the potential to heal small cavities, and may (has I believe, in my case) halt the progression of the larger ones. * But, when a BB sized chunk of enamel is gone, I don't expect to get the missing tooth material back any time soon, and nobody else should. *

*Maybe over 5-20+ years, but that seems a long time to wait to be able to eat without getting food caught in the holes. * In my case with the two larger cavities, there's quite a bit of tooth missing, and since this progress has taken me most of the year, I don't believe the large cavities will heal in a reasonable amount of time, ie 1-3 yrs. *
*I may not be willing to wait. *For now, I'm satisfied that the larger cavities are not progressing and have ceased to cause me worry over losing the teeth to them. *

Whether the large ones are healed or not is more or less a question of definition.
*If by healed you mean "no longer infected and placing the tooth at risk" then I believe yes :) ! *If you mean "totally regrown" then no :( . *

I also can't attribute the results just to the amorphous calcium phosphate containing toothpaste, as I have taken other steps to aid healing the problem. *I don't think the toothpaste is going to help much if the person using it sits around eating sugar all day. *

Hope I answered your question.

CodeWarrior
26th August 2006, 01:20
I agree. one has to brush regularly and take care of ones mouth but this might be of some used to me. My remaining unfilled cavities are small (a few millimetres) but very deep as the decay has spread out under the enamel. If the enamel would close over the decay it would be halted and my cavities give me no problem eating. Also dentine has greater regeneration potential (I'm given to believe) and as most of the decay is in the dentine under the enamel it might heal faster. I'm seriously interested in this. I'm afraid a lot of the decay and erosion in my teeth is due to having had a fairly acidic diet as a child (I loved lemons) that and an odd bite that wore down my k9s to an incisor bicuspid hybrid shape at a young age. I was told that my enamel was fairly strong as a child but according to my present dentist I have a general problem with erosion all over. Especially at the back.

lilone
28th August 2006, 20:03
I'm very interested in this. But a question...if you had a cavity that appeared small to look at but had spread out under the enamel, would it not be worse after using this stuff? I'm just thinking that you wouldn't know you had a cavity until it hit the nerve because it has been "healed" on the outside. Does that make sense? If it just grows enamel over the decay, then the problem is only masked, right?

CodeWarrior
28th August 2006, 21:22
As I understand it decay can't progress unless the things it feeds on are present. I mean if sugar and so one could penetrate enamel why wouldn't we all have decay under our enamel. I seem to recall a resent article were saying some dentists were now placing temporary caps on milk teeth to halt decay rather than fill them as they would fall out in time and it hardly seemed worth the pain.

gotrootdude
28th August 2006, 21:24
But a question...if you had a cavity that appeared small to look at but had spread out under the enamel, would it not be worse after using this stuff?


*The bacteria under the enamel should die after being cut off from nutriments, and the odontoblast should start rebuilding the dentin. *At least, this should happen if the person's odontoblast haven't been damaged by the bacteria too much, and there's not another underlying medical issue. *

melodyl
28th August 2006, 23:34
Wanna know what I think????


I think all of you should go to dental school. Set up dental phobia clinics all over the world and make the world a better place.

You are all so brilliant!!!!

That's what I think!!!

Mellody

gotrootdude
29th August 2006, 18:19
I'd rather buy and sell on ebay. *::)

I do try my best to do my part at making the world a better place though. ;)

melodyl
29th August 2006, 18:44
Oh I love this!!! I've been doing ebay for 10 years.

Got something like 950 feedback (positive). I'm a seller.

Lots o luck to you.

Melody

gotrootdude
29th August 2006, 18:57
I'm on there as liquor4u3. :)

Wouldn't want to be a dentist. I'm way too uncordinated. I'd end up slipping with the drill. :-X

CodeWarrior
30th August 2006, 14:07
Oddly enough the universities career guidance computer program did suggest biomedical engineering as a possible good career. Shame I'm on a maths course. lol

That said I myself am not beyond the notion of experimentation. I've always hoped to get into inventing and if at some point my brain spins out some invention with dental application all the better.

melodyl
30th August 2006, 14:53
Please, my dear, INVENT, INVENT!!!!

We need your brain!!!!


melody

kalalee
12th September 2006, 22:09
I have not been able to find a place to buy Recaldent, Oravive, or any other of the remineralization toothpastes, besides Australia. Does anyone know more?

letsconnect
12th September 2006, 23:43
Only way to get hold of them is via the internet (e.g. from dentist.net). The jury is still out on how effective those products actually are, though there's no harm in trying them.

angel_girl
13th September 2006, 18:13
found this thread very interesting...what is the name of the actual toothpaste?..would love to try some...

kalalee
13th September 2006, 21:27
Thanks for the tip on dentisy.net.

anne
4th May 2009, 22:20
i would to try the bioactive toothpaste. is there a specific name of this toothpaste and do you think its available in the caribbean?

anne
4th May 2009, 22:20
i would to try the bio- active glass toothpaste. is there a specific name of this toothpaste and do you think its available in the Caribbean?

pally
24th May 2009, 19:49
I've read all this with interest, it's fantastic to think that these products might help us all stay away from dentists. I googled the products that gotrootdude mentioned as I'm in the uk and not everything from the US makes its way to shops here. The good news is that there is a toothpaste called Sensishield which contains the bioactive glass (Novamin is the trademark name) which he mentioned. This is now available in the UK, I bought some from a large high street chemist this week and am using it and living in hope of some improvements in my dental health!

There do seem to be a lot of new products coming out in this field at the moment, I did see another toothpaste which contained a hydroxyapatite compound which someone else has mentioned earlier in the thread. They were all in the sensitive teeth section if anyone wants to check them out and let me know what you think.

comfortdentist
25th July 2009, 21:15
Cats don't like candy!!!!! Who would thunk that!!!!!

Hurray for Splenda!!!

melody

Cats kill and eat other small animals they don't eat fruits nor do they need to so they have no need for sensing sweetness. Biology is efficient.

ScaredMama
15th January 2010, 19:49
So Novamin, no sugar, no white flour/processed junk. What about vitamin supplements?

ScaredMama
16th January 2010, 20:48
I ordered Dr Collins Toothpaste today, I will let everyone know my review on it! :)

ScaredMama
20th January 2010, 19:03
Also wanted to add: organic virgin coconut oil, might be something y'all would enjoy reading about. not only does it prevent/stop decay, it's good for the gums, and all kinds of other issues. :)