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    Thread: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

    1. #1
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      Important New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      I have moments ago created a petition to the U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions asking for a requirement that dental care providers offer one free tooth removal visit per person which includes a provision for extreme phobics on the basis that the dental situation in America in unacceptable and that forcing people to seriously consider self extraction is a violation of human rights and amount to extortion.

      I respectfully request that everyone read this petition and sign it if you agree or start your own if you do not.

      Something must be done.

      I thank you for your time and attention.

      http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/FreeTooth

      My apologies if I have violated some rule.

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      Smile Thank you!

      50 people so far have signed the petition, I suspect some of them are from this page, thank you for your support.

      Every signature counts. Because its one more person aware of the problem, and that's the first step.

      If we work togather we'll see actual emergency dental care for the indigent, rather than an industry seemingly dedicated to extortion.

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      Default Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      I have been saying this for a couple years, In Canada there is free health care. Yet dental isn't covered by the government automatically. Dental extractions should be FREE. It is a health issue when you have an infection and the pain is just insane. I still firmly believe that all children under 18 should get all dental procedures excluding braces for free.

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      Default Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      Thank you for your support. I'm going to take this opportunity to rant a little. I hope you don't mind.

      I'm somewhat cynical on this front as you may well imagine. Free dental care for children would destroy millions of dollars of revenue for the dental industry since an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

      This is why I am hesitant to trust advice regarding prevention from the people who sell cure. It's somewhat like asking an arms dealer to help with diplomacy imo.

      One thing we should all be able to agree on however is the need for and ethical urgency of, basic emergency dental care, the cheapest and easiest first step being costless extractions.

      The petition is up to 54 signatures, and given how badly I worded it, that is really a pleasant surprise, thank you all!

      If anyone wishes to redo the petition I would not at all be offended, and I'll be your first signer. My goal is emergency dental care for the poor, period.

      ( Since I'm poor and in need of emergnecy dental care. )



      The cost of pulling a tooth is artificially inflated. Virtually every step of the process is extremely over priced, or making use of something that could be obviated by better policy, or cheaper (not older) technology. If we forced them to offer simple extractions for free, I'll bet magically within a year the methodology and efficiency of it would improve ten fold since suddenly there would be a serious motivation to innovate in terms of cost and speed.

      Trusting the dental industry to reduce cost on its own is economic policy madness. The dental industry has long been a thriving collective example of "If it ain't broke don't fix it."

      I haven't been in the dentist chair in over 10 years, during that time I have been almost obsessive in the care of my teeth knowing full well the demands I'm placing on my teeth.

      But even the most meticulously maintained teeth need care from time to time, but what happens when you simply can not under any circumstances afford that care? The dental community would seem to believe that this is not possible. They react with scorn and incredulity to the very idea, in my experience. (I can provide links.)

      It is as if they think poverty is a choice. I've even had them go so far as to complain that because I'm on a computer clearly I can afford dental care. My computer was free and my Internet is donated by my neighbor. (With his knowledge.)

      It's like they think computers are luxury items. However, a computer is a cost saving tool first and foremost in many homes. I Digress.

      My teeth are pushed together so hard that some of them I can not floss as regardless of brand the floss is cut. That shouldn't be all that shocking thats what teeth are made to do. There are tools around this, the tiny in-between brushes and the water jets but they are not going to make up for the years I spent thinking floss was the only option.

      Which I partially blame on dentists as well for failing to innovate and nagging to the point of numbness. "Come see us 5 times a year brush and floss 40 times a day blah blah." Thats what most people hear.

      Freedom from brushing and flossing has always been possible technically speaking but has never been a goal of the dental industry. Indeed to even mention the desire for such a state of affairs gets one called a variety of unflattering names.

      Well, it's real easy to live up to the demands made by the industry when you have perfect teeth and lots of money/time. But the fact is, in the real world, when you don't have a job where you can possibly make a 1000$ an hour, like they do, these standard recommendations start to look like obsessive compulsive lunacy.

      Dentists have lost touch, and as a group demonstrate a disturbing lack of compassion.

      They are extremely quick to blame any tooth malfunction on neglect to absolve themselves of any systemic responsibility. Just have an imaginary conversation with a dentist and speculate on what it would take to get him to admit that perhaps your tooth issue was not your fault in some way.

      The party line seems to be that ALL tooth damage not directly arising from trauma is the result of neglect. It's like they have forgotten how to be scientists and have instead becomes high price tradesmen.

      Thus we need to provide a check and balance, to keep dentistry from degenerating into a protection racket, as if it hasn't already in many areas. And thats why this is so important to me, and will continue to be important long after my financial situation is squared away.

      The easiest way to keep them honest is to provide people with a way of exiting, give them the admittedly drastic option of having all of their teeth pulled which would in effect allow a person to avoid the dental industry entirely.

      I am a 29 year old American and I have wanted my teeth pulled and replaced with a post mounted denture since I was 19. If that alone doesn't indicate that something is wrong with the system, I don't know what does. But of course i know the answer, its not the systems problem it's mine.

      Somehow I am flawed for wanting to permanently avoid the escalating probability of random excruciating pain, and devastating cost in the only available way.

      The only reason I am not in extreme pain right now is because of super glue, and I don't see that changing for years to come. Currently I am looking into loans and medical tourism to have all of my teeth removed because even if I did go into debt to the tune of my total credit worth to have a few teeth pulled I know it's only a matter of time before I'm back where I started, at the mercy of the merciless.

      This is all just my opinion, if you disagree, awesome, if you agree, awesome. *shrugs*
      Last edited by Innomen; 28th July 2009 at 08:17. Reason: Typos, additional content.

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      Default Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      There's hope for this to get the support it needs to be a reality.
      I'm going to plug in President Obama's name here, in hopes that his entourage gets wind of the petition and see's the merits of such an important health care need and they take up the banner and run with it!

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      Question Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      You bring up an interesting question. How does the recent insurance reform impact dental insurance?

      Maybe a petition requiring all health insurance to include dental would be more effective?

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      Default Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      There are too many people without access to adequate dental care due to finances. Free tooth extractions would help many people out.

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      Default Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      Agreed completely.

      Even if the pending medical reform included a public option I'm almost positive dental would not be covered, since somehow your teeth from a policy perspective aren't a part of your body which is why dental and medical are separate.

      Obviously this is about insurance. The same reason a person can go buy medical insurance but can't go buy dental, because most everyone ends up needing dental care, and the dental industry has maxed out all prices thus rendering dental insurance for individuals unprofitable for insurers.

      No other rational argument can be made for this separation. The teeth are a part of the body. Period.

      I don't care if they are unique, so is the heart and that's why we have heart specialists, but we don't have cardiac insurance do we, no we have medical insurance.

      Petition up to 74 signatures. More than I ever expected really. Thanks guys

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      Default Re: New Petition: Mandatory Free Tooth Extraction

      To my understanding, and I am no expert, the structure of enamel is crystalline, but not like single crystals, more like strands of crystals growing in cords. (The Wiki on enamel is fascinating.)

      My point being that the truly replace enamel as it is the tooth has to be in an environment totally unlike the mouth. Like a ship in dry dock. So, it needs to be replaced with something equivalent but totally different, or if you're going to the stem cell route, a solution is applied to a place where a tooth was and a new tooth grows, like when you lost your baby teeth.

      I firmly believe if dentists weren't making so much money on enamel failure we'd already have a materials science solution, like a from of super glue that would bond with and once dry is equal too enamel under normal conditions, if not all conditions.

      The solution I think it most likely to appear first, assuming a lack of active resistance from all the people that make mountains of money from tooth failure (fat chance), is a gene therapy approach that causes you to shed your teeth and regrow them just like you did when you were a child. A sort of genetic reset button.

      The entire dental industry needs outside oversight. The small smiles incident proves that. The fact that that was even an option for the unscrupulous to exploit really says something.

      Further, dentists deny a conflict of interests even existing, which is logically absurd. No doctor would deny that they have the opportunity to profit from making people sick, them simply tell you they aren't doing it and point to control measures which prevent doctors from doing it should they lose their ethics.

      Dentists on the other hand deny they have the option.

      (My complete opinion on that subject with supporting links and evidence.)

      http://underlore.com/TBA/?p=329

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