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bleeding and 111 was no help.

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im hoping to get some advice, i've posted here many times but never get any replies.

when i had a back tooth out last october i got dry socket with it up until 3 weeks ago me and my dentist thought it was finally healing as i still had a hole, i don't know what was over the hole to make it look healed but what ever it was has just come out, tasted foul and the hole was bleeding, i spat out a couple of spits of blood, it looks like it has stopped bleeding now, but what do i do? i called 111 and they were absolutely no help whatsoever, i don't even know why they are there, no advice, nothing. apart from calling the dentist in the morning i don't know what to do if it should start bleeding again? im just starting to get the dry socket pain as its open again.

can anyone help please
 
jerryD said:
Hey sorry to hear about your problem. Seems like there is some issue with the way the tooth was extracted. You must see the dentist who performed the extraction and get a solution for your issue immediately. A temporary solution to stop your bleeding would be to take a small piece of ice and place it on the extracted spot for sometime. It will stop the bleeding and numb the pain temporarily.


hi, thanks for replying,

my new dentist said there was bone in the gum and had wrote to the hospital to have a procedure to sort it out which is this month, but when last looked it looked like it was healing, it could have been food stuck in there, but it should not have bled, im going to dentist just for them to have a look this afternoon, might need antibiotics just in case, its been going on too long, i had it out october 1st last year and my previous dentist was useless and was wouldn't help so i shall find out exactly what procedure the hospital are going to do and then i shall write to the previous dentist, possibly look into a negligence case.
 
what is 111?


to be honest, im not sure what 111 is for myself, absolutely useless, no wonder people have been dying. its supposed to be instead of calling an ambulance, its for like a non emergency phone number.
 
to be honest, im not sure what 111 is for myself, absolutely useless, no wonder people have been dying. its supposed to be instead of calling an ambulance, its for like a non emergency phone number.

I'm not a dentist, so this is just based on my own experiences of using out of hours dental services, plus what I have been told by various dentists and dental nurses (of which one used to work part time for NHS Direct, which was the predecessor to 111)...

If you need to see a dentist either during the evening after your usual dental practice is closed or during weekends or bank holidays, then if you phone your dental practice, there should be a message on the voicemail telling you what to do if you need an emergency appointment.

If it's a private practice, then sometimes this means that your own dentist will arrange to open the surgery and see you or sometimes they might have arrangements with other local private practices to see patients out of hours. But if it's an NHS practice, things are a bit different.

Depending on the area where you live, NHS out of hours services (both GPs and dentists) are sometimes provided by a private company who usually have emergency GP and dental clinics, where if you phone their call centre, they will arrange for you to be seen if necessary. Other areas use the NHS 111 phone service to field calls and schedule appointments and then if they decide you need to be seen, you are sent to a local dental clinic which is run by the local NHS primary care trust.

I had my first root canal about three and a half years ago when I used to go to an NHS practice. It was done in November and never really settled down. Over the Christmas holidays that year, I ended up in severe pain from the same tooth and so because my usual dental practice was closed for Christmas, the message on the voicemail said to phone NHS Direct (which has now become 111...). When I phoned NHS Direct, I spoke to a call handler first who then said that a dental nurse would call me back within the hour. About an hour later, I received a phone call from a dental nurse who went through all my symptoms and gave advice on painkillers etc. I explained that my normal dentists wasn't open for another few days and she said that I needed to be seen sooner than that (this was on Christmas day), so she would arrange for one of the call centre people to phone back first thing in the morning with an appointment at a local NHS clinic. The following day (Boxing day), I got a phone call at about 8am, to say that I had an appointment at 9.30am at a clinic about 10 miles away which was run by the local NHS primary care trust (the same people who provide community dental services for people with special needs and complex medical problems etc).

When I went to this emergency appointment, the dentist just poked down the side of the tooth with her finger, told me it was infected (it wasn't) and said that I could either have the tooth extracted there and then or she could give me some antibiotics and I would then need to go and see my own dentist after Christmas to have the root canal re-treated. I didn't want to lose the tooth, so I chose the antibiotics.

Nowadays, I go to a private practice and over the past few months, I've been having a lot of root canal treatment so I've also been going to a specialist dental practice. A few weeks ago, I was talking to one of the dental nurses who works at this other practice and she said that she used to work part time for the NHS Direct telephone line, screening patients and arranging appointments. NHS Direct used to be absolutely swamped (and presumably 111 is now) with patients either genuinely needing emergency appointments or phoning up as an emergency in order to get seen by an NHS dentist because they didn't have their own dentist and had discovered that they could get an appointment that way. Because of this (and because it's only meant to be a basic emergency/urgent service to provide immediate treatment until you can see your own dentist), they have to have fairly strict criteria which determines whether you are given an appointment at an out of hours dental clinic or whether they give you advice on what to do for yourself over the phone. Also, most NHS out of hours dental clinics, unlike out of hours GPs, are not actually open 24 hours; they're usually only open during the day and often into late evening, so appointments have to be limited to those who are deemed to be emergencies.

The dental nurse I spoke to said the list of symptoms for being given an emergency appointment included; severe pain (which can't be controlled by over the counter painkillers or ice packs), swelling, bleeding, active spreading infection and a few other things I can't remember. She said that you had to have a certain number of symptoms from this list in order to meet the criteria for an appointment, otherwise if you didn't, then they gave you advice on what to do until you could get an appointment with your own dentist.

I don't know whether 111 operates in exactly the same way, but it could be that perhaps your symptoms (although horrible for you) were not deemed urgent or serious enough to need an emergency appointment because you could wait until you could see your own dentist. Whatever the reason, they should have been able to at least give you some decent advice over the phone on what to do.
 
I'm not a dentist, so this is just based on my own experiences of using out of hours dental services, plus what I have been told by various dentists and dental nurses (of which one used to work part time for NHS Direct, which was the predecessor to 111)...

If you need to see a dentist either during the evening after your usual dental practice is closed or during weekends or bank holidays, then if you phone your dental practice, there should be a message on the voicemail telling you what to do if you need an emergency appointment.

If it's a private practice, then sometimes this means that your own dentist will arrange to open the surgery and see you or sometimes they might have arrangements with other local private practices to see patients out of hours. But if it's an NHS practice, things are a bit different.

Depending on the area where you live, NHS out of hours services (both GPs and dentists) are sometimes provided by a private company who usually have emergency GP and dental clinics, where if you phone their call centre, they will arrange for you to be seen if necessary. Other areas use the NHS 111 phone service to field calls and schedule appointments and then if they decide you need to be seen, you are sent to a local dental clinic which is run by the local NHS primary care trust.

I had my first root canal about three and a half years ago when I used to go to an NHS practice. It was done in November and never really settled down. Over the Christmas holidays that year, I ended up in severe pain from the same tooth and so because my usual dental practice was closed for Christmas, the message on the voicemail said to phone NHS Direct (which has now become 111...). When I phoned NHS Direct, I spoke to a call handler first who then said that a dental nurse would call me back within the hour. About an hour later, I received a phone call from a dental nurse who went through all my symptoms and gave advice on painkillers etc. I explained that my normal dentists wasn't open for another few days and she said that I needed to be seen sooner than that (this was on Christmas day), so she would arrange for one of the call centre people to phone back first thing in the morning with an appointment at a local NHS clinic. The following day (Boxing day), I got a phone call at about 8am, to say that I had an appointment at 9.30am at a clinic about 10 miles away which was run by the local NHS primary care trust (the same people who provide community dental services for people with special needs and complex medical problems etc).

When I went to this emergency appointment, the dentist just poked down the side of the tooth with her finger, told me it was infected (it wasn't) and said that I could either have the tooth extracted there and then or she could give me some antibiotics and I would then need to go and see my own dentist after Christmas to have the root canal re-treated. I didn't want to lose the tooth, so I chose the antibiotics.

Nowadays, I go to a private practice and over the past few months, I've been having a lot of root canal treatment so I've also been going to a specialist dental practice. A few weeks ago, I was talking to one of the dental nurses who works at this other practice and she said that she used to work part time for the NHS Direct telephone line, screening patients and arranging appointments. NHS Direct used to be absolutely swamped (and presumably 111 is now) with patients either genuinely needing emergency appointments or phoning up as an emergency in order to get seen by an NHS dentist because they didn't have their own dentist and had discovered that they could get an appointment that way. Because of this (and because it's only meant to be a basic emergency/urgent service to provide immediate treatment until you can see your own dentist), they have to have fairly strict criteria which determines whether you are given an appointment at an out of hours dental clinic or whether they give you advice on what to do for yourself over the phone. Also, most NHS out of hours dental clinics, unlike out of hours GPs, are not actually open 24 hours; they're usually only open during the day and often into late evening, so appointments have to be limited to those who are deemed to be emergencies.

The dental nurse I spoke to said the list of symptoms for being given an emergency appointment included; severe pain (which can't be controlled by over the counter painkillers or ice packs), swelling, bleeding, active spreading infection and a few other things I can't remember. She said that you had to have a certain number of symptoms from this list in order to meet the criteria for an appointment, otherwise if you didn't, then they gave you advice on what to do until you could get an appointment with your own dentist.

I don't know whether 111 operates in exactly the same way, but it could be that perhaps your symptoms (although horrible for you) were not deemed urgent or serious enough to need an emergency appointment because you could wait until you could see your own dentist. Whatever the reason, they should have been able to at least give you some decent advice over the phone on what to do.

strange to hear that people abuse the 111 services.... people in the US have started to abuse our emergency services too. friend is a paramedic and hes said theres been a rise of people calling for emergency services for things like stubbing their toes....
 
hi, thanks for explaining in detail, makes more sense. i panicked because after 6 months of an extracted tooth it should be healed well and truly and to have blood come from the socket from nowhere was worrying. i went to dentist today, they said they just wanted to check it, he said it looked fine but on the xray he saw something, i had been told previously that it was bone, but this dentist i saw today said it could be the root of the tooth not out or it could be a piece of filling as when the tooth was pulled dentist cracked filling in next tooth. i am at the hospital about this this month, i had visions of chronic pain, swelling and pouring with blood, but they didn't offer me any advice whatsoever when i rang 111.

but thanks for replying and explaining.
 
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