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DJ's awful road to success, comments welcome

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Phil098342wq

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I guess I will start a journal, my first few posts I was a little shy. Now that I have "sufferred" some, I feel like I can be a little more open. Besides, maybe some one can offer some comments or "words of wisodm" I am not an expert, that is why I find my self stumbling around the internet and empty boxes looking for something. This will be my outlet for rage, sadness, joy and excitment. I am shy and not very out going, but after you have had numerous people you don't know sticking their hands in your mouth, what can you do. So here goes-I have compiled a list of my past posts here, take you time to read them, they're staying.

June 12th 2006:
I am really stressing out. Wednesday I go under the drill to have a root canal and a filing and I may not sleep much from now till then. On Thursday I will be meeting with an endodontics specialist to examine a tooth that I recently had a root canal on. The tip of a file broke off in the tooth and I am really worried they may have to pull it. The dentist is apologetic and I really like how he treats me like a human. Three months ago I went to have x-rays taken and that re-injured a jaw injury from having my wisdom teeth out that I did not even know I had until now and I am still in pain. Last week I stressed out from the anticipation of the appointment last week concerning that tooth, which was suppose to be filled and I am sick. My medical doctor is concerned and I am seeing a stress management therapist tomorrow. My psychotherapist and I met Saturday and she did what is called Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (www.emdr.com) which is helpful for trauma suffers. I just don’t know how much more I can take on the emotional and physically aspects of this. I am not talking suicide, although I was last week, but I am so tempted to quit. I take Vallium 10 mg before the appointment which I don’t feel really but am afraid not to take it, they administer the gas all through the appointment. I also listen to music and try visualization plus this week I am taking in a pillow to hold, hey I may be a guy but if it works why not. What else can I do? How do I get through this? I am so glad I am not alone in all of this. I have broken down in tears several times these past few weeks and am about ready to again.

June 16th, 2006
It was the worst one yet I could not control my breathing and broke down crying several times. I don’t think I can go through much more. The cavity that has been in my mouth since early 1999 is now gone and no root canal. Wednesday, the day of the treatment, I almost could not survie the waiting room. Then they started the gas and I could not stop crying. The doctor came in and spoke to me and we proceeded with the shot. A few minutes late memories over came me and I broke down. The woman who was with me got the staff who got the dentist and he gave me a second shot. I began to calm down some what then when he started to drill it was not numb enough. He gave me a third shot and I don’t remember him leaving, I do remember the drilling starting again, and I could feel it and I was thinking I just wanted to get through it. Then it seemed like seconds pasted, I don’t know if I blacked out or the gas but he was standing up talking to me and I got mad and just wanted him to finish when in fact he was telling me it was over and no root canal. Then the woman came in to do the filling and some where in that part the nitrous oxide machine broke and I guess I agreed to have it removed and was fully conscious of the filling work. It was awful. I am still a little on edge from it and it is Friday afternoon. I go back Monday for more. Yesterday I saw a specialist about the tip of a file that was left in my tooth that he did a root canal on. They will do a second root canal in three weeks. Tomorrow I see my psychotherapist for more therapy on this. I just don’t know how much more I can take. I did take a pillow last time to hold, it helped and last night I spent 200 American dollars on an MP3 player, heck if I am spending thousands on dental I sure as heck can spend a couple hundred on devices to help me cope.

18th of June 2006
I had a pretty intense therapy session yesterday and a lot of good came from it. We did a therapy for trauma victims called Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. We had done it in the past with GREAT success on other things. In this session we sent over the causes of my apprehension with the dental visits primarily focusing on my early teen years.
One horrible memory was with a quack who stab me once, gave painful injections and the worse-drilled an tooth that was not numb without stopping even though I was almost screaming. As we dug into this we more memory of that came to light, I have had this before where I think I remember everything, but what I call emotional amnesia blocks something out. The dentist stopped, came back with an another injection and injected me then left me, a twelve year old boy whose mother would not believe earlier horror stories and wouldn’t this one either, anyway he left me alone in the room.
Even though I have had someone from my team with me when I go to the dentist, I was partly panicking because a member of the team was leaving the room. Much as a twelve year old boy would do. I know feel better, not good, just a little better about upcoming visits, another one is in twenty four hours-OH MY GOD!
Another thing was that my mother forced me to go back to school for two hours, then a forty five minute bus ride home when I was pain, unable to drink and queasy. I am glad I got this out of my system and now know to focus on the fact that I am not alone, and that I do great at self care.
I hope this little success story helps some one. Print it out, take it to your therapist-the brain is an amazing…organ that hold so many secrets and some therapies may work for some and not for others, EMDR has done wonders for me for getting past unresolved issues and remembering the whole story. Remember this is not medical advice, I just hope it is a spring board to some one else getting along a little bit better.

June 21st, 2006
I was at the dentist three days ago. Every thing went horribly wrong. The work on the left canine and incisor was supposed to go easier than the right (the same teeth had about the same cavities on both sides). The week prior both on the right went fine. However the first problem was that they had a problem getting the incisor numb. After the drilling the dentist stopped, took me off the gas and told me it needed a root canal or pulling and the canine was closer to the nerve than the one on the right which is bothering me. He had explained all of this in great detail in our consults so I decided to get both root canals at the same time. They injection more Novocain into me and then the dentist tried the incisor and it was still active so he injected me again and did the root canal on the canine. From time to time he tested the incisor with no success and I had lost count at six injections. Finally he was done with the canine. I had been in the chair and pain long enough and when he jabbed the tooth and I got done squealing, yes squealing, I told him to go ahead with the root canal. He agreed to work fast and that it would be over soon and it WAS VERY PAINFULL! He did talk with me through it and I was hyperventilating afterwards, shaking all over and crying like a new born baby so he left at two nurses in the room to calm me down. My confidence in the dentist and my courage lasted and I was able to complete the procedure with only the nitrous oxide helping the pain in that tooth, which wasn’t much. Every time he put his file down the hole I could feel the scraping and the jab into the gum. I am VERY PROUD of myself though. I made it, I did it, Yeah. On a side not most of my support staff was unavailable and I even had a replacement driver that I had not had along before and my therapist is out of town.

Respond if you want.
 
Hi Phil
You have asked for responses. It strikes me that for the 'thousands' of dollars you are spending, you could probably expect a more painfree :scared:experience than you appear to be getting. Not sure I'd go back for more, but you're done now are you? I/V sedation might be a better option for you in future for major work?
Did you get a refund when the nitrous machine broke? What kind of outfit is this? Surgeons used to 'work quickly' when amputing legs in the days before anaesthesia (must learn how to spell this flipping word)- sorry.  
I can understand that you're glad to have got through it and you were really brave to do so, so congratulations.
Best wishes
Brit  
 
no I am still needing lots of work. IV sedation was my first, worst, experience. I went in last August after meeting with what seemed to be a "normal" ""dentist"" lol now, and he pulled removed the four impacted wisdomw teeth and one front tooth. All hell went wrong. My dentist is doing okay, just the one time when the gas broke and I don't know why he couldn't get that tooth to numb up. I get the gas every time, even if it is something simple.
 
My current dentist is wonderful and treat me with respect.  I have been with him since Feb.  The work began on May 3rd.  He is with xxxxx.  It is just my teeth are croocked in every way.  The root canal that got messed up was the wisdom teeth actually cracked the first molar on both sides by pressing the number into them for so long.  My teeth have always been very tight, most of my life i was unable to floss untill recently with the wisdom teeth gone.  I remember as a child the dentist trying to floss, jerking my head back and forth violently then getting it stcuk and almost putting his foot on my mouth to get it out!
I will never get past those memories though,  :cry:, it will be with me the rest of my life.  I may make a post about this, but not now.  I truly am ready to cry, a 27 year old man.  I will be heading back to my childhood home for the fourth, I know my teeth haven't had much work, but they are better than when I left with the exception that I am missing one in the front, but the front is crowed it is barely noticable.  I wonder if anyone will say anything.
 
I forgot to mention I go in for the permant fillings on the two front teeth tomorrow. I will be taking the Valium and not going to work afterwards. It will be about me healing, and not feeling guilty about it. Then a week from the fourth I have the really bad one, they have to redo the root canal, i was refunded, to get the file out. Oh my god, how will I survie that??
 
Not tomorrow-Monday-I am losing it
 
Hi Phil
Sorry if my previous comment was unwelcome but honestly if the anaesthesia works and you like and trust your dentist; and you will have some sedation (nitrous,valium or whatever), there really shouldn't be anything to worry about.
My reason for posting was to add some balance to quite a scary account. You don't have to accept the painful option in these situations - you can reschedule if you want - there are all sorts of reasons why LA may not always work (see info on this website for more details)
Things will probably go much better this time - there's only so much bad luck out there!
All the best
Brit
PS Most English people I know would not feel guilty about not returning to work after dental work!
 
Opinions should never be sensored-okay I know that sounds bold but it does bring up some good points. I am have the permant fillings tomorrow and was worried about asking the dentist for the gas. Since the insurance I am on, the gas doesn't cost, excuse the poor grammar. So I will demand it pointing out the fact that last time I was suffering and did not make them aware of it. So it actually my fault, really I have no idea why I let them go ahead. I am or was terrified about tomorrow because of that, but in reality it is good to know that I do need it and I should, being a gentleman about it, demand it. If they don't want to do it, then why not reschedule.

Please, all readers, don't take a post as an attack. I want comments, I need comments. I am but one man fighting this battle unless I search out allies and I feel like I am. Thanks so much, and I will let you all know how awful tomorrow goes-DJ
 
Phil
I'm sure you'll be fine tomorrow.
I fully understand why you might feel unable to stop a slightly painful procedure (been there, done that, recently!) but not why you would actively consent to a very painful one. Keeping things as painfree as possible, is definitely the best way to overcome anyone's dental anxiety/phobia. Although it is true many phobics have high pain thresholds because of putting up with problems in their teeth for years.

Definitely insist on the gas - I have read on here a couple of times that sometimes its the patient not breathing properly that stops it working effectively. You have to consciously breathe through your nose, not your mouth or you won't be taking in enough as your mouth is of course open! Ask your dentist about this.

As for explaining how you felt about last time,you could send an email or write out a letter and hand it to him, if you are afraid it will be too hard to do in person at the appointment.

Best wishes
Brit
 
I did not sleep all that well last night and feel sick to my stomach now. No doubt some of this anxiety is from the last appointment that went wrong. I will be glad when it is over. I am taking the whole evening off so if I want to crash at five tonight and sleep the whole night I can. It shouldn't be too bad, I am getting a little discouraged at how long it is all going.
On a side note I injuried my jaw again yesterday. I was helping my church out by cooking and ate a slice of water melon-OW! Anohter food to avoide eating by the slice. I have already invested in a smoothie machine and the day of and after any dental appointments I drink instead of eat food. Ugh.
 
DJ's awful road....

I ws badly treated by my Dentist on Monday afternoon.  He was supposed to fill two root canals.  Had me in the chair, gas on, for four hours.  Everything is wrong.  Saw new denstit July 4th at 12 p.m., went to ER after that for the vomiting and pain.  They put me on IV fluids and gave me morphine and phenergan.  I am going after the bastard.  Any suggestions?  Will post more when I feel better-ugh!
 
Re: DJ's awful road

Hiya, I was just wanting to ask if you had any underlying problem that could have caused you to react badly to the drugs given to you by the dentist? I am basically wanting to tone down a thread that could cause others to be frightened as it does sound a bit graphic for others reading this and we dont want anyone to be scared any more than they already may be. When you were at the hospital did they say what the problem was? I am sorry you are feeling bad and I dont want to sound like I dont believe that it was a dental procedure that  may have gone wrong, I am just worried about anyone else reading this who has appointments with a dentist in the near future and are going to be using gas, as the worse thing anyone can do is cancel an appointment due to reading your story. I know if I was to have read this before my appointment I would have been frightened and possibly cancelled
 
It has now been four days since I was badly treated by a dentist.  The best way to explain what happen is that I went in for two permanent fillings on two teeth the “dentist” had performed root canals on two weeks prior.  First I had to wait a little because there was only one nitrous oxide connection.  Then the work began.  It seemed to go okay.  Then they did the x-ray and the dentist came in and while I was still on the gas, said that they had to redo it because the filling was not all the way down.  So they did, then another x-ray, more work and another x-ray.  I was unaware of the time passing and the length of time I was left alone.
Finally it seemed all was ending, then they began to put the temporary filling and I knew something was wrong!  They got me off the gas and I asked the good “doc” what went wrong.  He claimed nothing had gone wrong but that they had in fact not scheduled me for so much time and had a lot of other patients.  He went on to state that they could not get to my the tip of the roots with their instruments because I had long roots.  I was confused to say the least.  I walked out to the receptionist area and noticed I had been in the chair for FOUR HOURS!  I also noticed when I got home and most of the temp filling had fallen out that most the tooth was gone, where there was a good part left before the appointment.
I did not sleep much that due to the pain and the next morning, July 4th, America’s Day of Independence I started calling friends asking for dentist recommendations.  I got several and only got a hold of one dentist.  He drove a long way into town and the news was bad.  Severe infection and poor work, improper root canals, and all around crummy work.  He gave me a stronger pain medication and penicillin and we decided to wait until the infection lessened to redo the root canals.
Later that afternoon due to my emotional state and the medicaiton and lack of appeitie I ended up spending six hours at the Emergencey room.  They gave me morphine for the pain and phenergan for the nausea, and I was able to get some sleep.  I spent the next day in bed and plotted my revenge.  The next day I sent a letter certified to the office demanding they pay to have this corrected.  I also stopped there to try to get my records and three x-rays that belonged to me.  They refused to give them to me stating it would take fourteen days to copy them.  I turned in a report to the State Board of Dental Examiners and then filed a police report and returned home to rest before going to see my therapist to deal with the emotional side of it all.  The next day I also spent mostly in bed and now feel somewhat better.
I feel betrayed, violated and destroyed by this man.  I may never trust another doctor again.  I have lost a week from work and school and will miss most of next week trying to recover.  How does one recover?
:scared:
 
speaking to NAT; I was doing well with my dental fear and now I am left in the hanging. Yes we should fear the dentist. We should never get to the point where we are completly at ease with them. We are trusting them with our lives, our looks, our trust and so much more. They can destroy all of that in minutes. I am sorry but I will never trust another doctor or dentist again. I will have a healthy bit of fear towards them. I usually have someone in the back with me, but I trusted that it would be a simple appointment-never again. I will be the most difficult patient now, now that I know even a kind dentist can become a Mr. Hyde!
 
Sorry to hear you had another bad session.
Is the replacement guy an endodontist, as that would seem sensible if difficult root canals are involved?
Please don't duplicate posts - just confine yourself to one section - continuing the journal makes sense. As you will have noticed we reserve the right to edit/delete.

The choice of dentist is of course paramount: personal recommendation is a good route especially if the person recommending has had the same kind of treatment. Good luck for the next stage.....you can only have so much bad luck as I said before.
Best wishes
 
I am sorry you feel this way and that you had a bad time of it recently. Does the dentist know you see therapists regarding your fears? some points you made that I just wanted to mention,

 Yes we should fear the dentist.

I know from personal experience that there are some bad ones out there but I dont think we should go through our lives fearing the dentist forever, yes its hard to overcome a phobia but with the right help, support and advice we can at least make sure that we dont go through life petrified of perhaps breaking a tooth, or eating something so chewy that a filling falls because then we would have to see a dentist! I think it would be a rather sheltered one if we all did that! I am scared of the dentist and I think a small part of me always will but with the right dentist and the right attitude I know I can at least make my future appointments with a bit more ease.

 We should never get to the point where we are completly at ease with them.

I am currently working with a dentist who I am hoping will help me for the future, I aim to be able to see him regularly, and to have any treatment without the use of sedation and I know he can help me do this I am totally at ease with him, all be it a bit frightened and still I want to bolt as soon as I get to the surgery! but I know he can help me overcome this, all it takes is finding the right person who knows ALL your problems and fears so that they can take things at your pace.



I am sorry but I will never trust another doctor or dentist again.

I really hope that isnt the case, health can deteriorate and the only people who can help are those very people. The most important thing in my life is mine and my familys health because if we dont have that, what do we have!


I will be the most difficult patient now,

Thats entirely your perogative but I really do hope you get yourself back on track.
 
My computer crashed yesterday and that event alone has given me alot to think about in my life. The books that I wanted to read are still sitting in my dent waiting for me. Problems that need solved were put on the top shelf. Now that I don't have a computer to waste my time it is given me cause to examine somethings. I was overcome with anger yesterday, anger at my computer, the dentist, the doctors, my own friends. I am trying to get over it as soon as I can because the more bitter I become about all this the harder it is going to keep getting.
I have questioned God why these things happen. I love to be able to put all of this behind me. I have years in orthodontics to go, then at least one, maybe three jaw operations. I have to get ahold of myself and step out my door tomorrow to face the world. A world that I have not been able to physcially face since last Monday. It will have been almost a full week. I still feel weak and sick but I will be out all day Tuesday-my new denstist redoing two root canals and a endonotic dentist doing the other one. I wil have several hours between the two appointments to try and regain my compourse before the next.
I don't know about Wednesday, I have learned that when I am sick either physcially or emotionially I need to take the time I need to heal and not feel quilty about it. So here I go.
 
Phil098342wq said:
My computer crashed yesterday and that event alone has given me alot to think about in my life.  

I hope that all is well and that you have had time to think about the things that are going on in your life at the moment

I am trying to get over it as soon as I can because the more bitter I become about all this the harder it is going to keep getting.

That is very true, I decided something had to be done with my phobia as I knew if I kept leaving it, things would only get worse. I am so much happier now that I have managed to kind of overcome this fear of the dentist that I have had since childhood. I found out the hard way that the longer you leave things, the harder they get.

I love to be able to put all of this behind me

You can do that with the right help and support, becoming the patient from hell is not going to help you, or anyone that is trying to help you as well.

my new denstist redoing two root canals and a endonotic dentist doing the other one.

I wish you luck in this, facing your demons is a very hard thing to do but I know you can do it!
 
I have made it to school this morning. Mixed feelings. I was able to take the mid term, one test for 10 credit hours of classes, this morning. I was sick from the light rail ride and my meds had not yet kicked in but I am glad it is over and I can move forward. I know I did not do as best as I could have, but I managed. I will know later today how bad I did, how good I did.
The pain is worse today it seems. The jaw is killing me. I have a theroy that the TMJ pain is from the nerve. The nerves from the teeth on that side are inflamming the nerve and it is what is causing the pain the jaw and temple. I will discuss this with the new dentist in the morning.
I did not sleep too well last night and look forward to my meeting with my therapist this afternoon. Not sure what all to expect. Anxious about the whole darn thing. I thought coming to campus might help, but it hasn't. 22 hours to go.
 
Well yesterday I had number 22 and 23 properly root canal’d and it went better than expected, just under an hour in the chair. Then in the afternoon I had number 30 worked on, they were unable to retrieve the file that was left behind by the idiot. It unnerves me a little, oh well what can I do. They were able to go around it and still seal off the tooth. It has cost a small fortune and I am really relying on the idiot to pay for his errors. If not I am going to have to scramble. He does not know about my perils thankfully. I have sent him two letters demanding the reimbursement, the money I paid him, lost wages, ER fees and prescriptions. It comes to a little under $3,000. He has fifteen days to pay before I pursue a court case most likely in small claims because truth fully I don’t want to drag this out, I want it over, revenge and healing.
Good news on number 19, a root canal may not be needed. However I am deciding if I should. The decay is close to the nerve. If they have to put a crown on anyway I may go ahead with it. Why not do it when it is open, get it over with I want to move on to braces. That one, the permanent fillings in the other three and about twelve cavities is all that is stopping me. It is a relief to see it that way.
Emotionally I handled it all well. My therapist and I did a session Monday night with EMDR. A lot of my “fear of going to the dentist” was from child hood and teen years. That was worked out and I slept 11 hours Monday and 9 hours last night. I did not sleep well since all hell broke loose last Monday. I am finally moving on.

(side note)
did less than expected on the mid term, but the teacher understands and does not think it will affect too much of my overall grade.
 
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