Which of these Toothpaste sound better?

[sailortinkitty]

Toothpaste 1 -- This one does not have any Mints for Flavoring I think.
Reading details this is a combo of things that Dentist use now as fillings and tooth repair. So one is attempting to gradually repair their teeth starting from a much smaller size then dentist can work with and building up. To what point is unknown.

Restore Toothpaste:
Contains NovaMin to rebuild the tooth surface
Restores lost tooth minerals and strengthens teeth
Fluoride Free Remineralizing Toothpaste
Kills bacteria associated with cavities
Reduces tooth sensitivity
NovaMin is:

Clinically proven to provide the preventive tooth and gum care that dentists recommend.
Scientifically proven to repair tooth abrasion and erosion from acidic foods, bacterial acids and over brushing.
Reverse the damage to the tooth from both acidic foods, bacterial acids and over brushing.
NovaMin:

Naturally brightens teeth, restoring their natural shine.
Nourishes the teeth with essential calcium and phosphorus ions needed for the natural self-repair process of the teeth.
Supplements bioavailable calcium and other essential minerals for stronger, healthier teeth.
Supercharges your mouth with the same calcium and essential mineral ions that your saliva uses to protect your teeth and gums.



***NovaMin contains elements naturally found in the body including calcium, phosphorus, sodium and silica. The chemical name for NovaMin is Calcium Sodium Phosphosilicate. NovaMin releases fully active calcium and phosphorus ions when in contact with water. This provides a higher concentration of the same ions that are naturally found in saliva. After brushing, NovaMin particles adhere to the tooth surface and continues to release ions for hours afterward. This ensures and enhances the natural self-repair of your tooth surface.




Toothpaste 2
Our formulation includes an abundance of Free Calcium (derived from Extracts of Carrots and Calcium Ascorbate), a ntural strengthening component of teeth that helps remove plaque. Our fluoride-free toothpaste also includes Vitamin C and Baking Soda that act as gentle abrasives to help clean and whiten your teeth, naturally.

Free Calcium, Soluble calcium, an enamel strengthening component. helps protect tooth enamel. Derived from Extract of Carrot and Calcium Ascorbate.

Calcium Carbonate (Natural Calcium), a natural mineral, gently cleans teeth and removes food particles.

Vegetable Glycerin, maintains toothpaste freshness; acts as a natural humectant; protects and soothes gums.

Purified Water, free of spores, impurities and hard minerals, maintains toothpaste freshness.

Carrageenan, natural sea kelp gel, gives toothpaste a smooth, rich feel and protects sensitive gums from irritations.

Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda), neutralizes bacterial acids that damage tooth enamel; helps fight tooth plaque.

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, a mild foaming cleanser derived from coconut oil, helps clean hard-to-reach areas; keeps mouth feeling fresh.

Natural Mint Flavor, pure Mint Oil, lends a pleasant taste that encourages tooth brushing, even among children.

Calcium Glycerophosphate (Natural Mineral), helps strengthen tooth enamel by reinforcing calcium bioavailability. Maintains proper pH balance by reducing excess acid.

Carrot Root Extract, naturally rich in vitamins and minerals.

Calcium Ascorbate (Vitamin C), helps maintains healthy gums.

Sea Salt, maintains toothpaste freshness, pH balance and helps stimulate gums.


ngredients: Calcium carbonate (natural calcium), vegetable glycerin, purified water, sodium lauryl sulfate (from coconut oil), carrageenan (seaweed), sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), calcium ascorbate (vitamin C), calcium glycerophosphate (Calcium Mineral), Carrot Root Extract, Natural Mint Flavor, Sea Salt.

No artificial colors, artificial sweeteners, animal ingredients, and preservatives. This biodegradable product is produced with no animal byproducts and without any animal testing.

 

[scaredstiff]

I don't know which is best, but judging by today's marketing standards, can you believe anything. I know that I used to spend a fortune on whitening toothpastes, enamel building toothpastes, this toothpaste, that toothpaste every sort for 'curing' or putting back the ageing process and none of them really did anything. I think dentists and people in the know do say they don't work, that you can't rebuild enamel for instance, and that a lot of the whitening ones do more harm than good because they are too abrasive. So, I guess the best person to tell you which is the best toothpaste is a dentist. Buying a good toothpaste that does what it claims I liken to all the anti-wrinkle creams I buy - don't work! Not on me any way. But perhaps laughter lines don't count as wrinles.

 

[sailortinkitty]

Yes,.. I've never needed whitening.  My teeth seemed to whiten better when we would go through bad periods where I couldn't even get/use toothpaste-- those were ALWAYs my best check ups.. and I am not being sarcastic ( though maybe now that I understand my reaction to Fluoride isn't normal is why).

What really annoys me is around here the only toothpaste you can buy in most places has the added value of Whitening and I swear my teeth suffer from that but with the hype my mom would look for those even if given a non-whitening option.

Blah blah blah.

The ADA's job is to check Fluoride and determine the rate it's dispersed and if it's level is safe ( that's their job with Toothpaste).  So I can't go by them to find a Non Fluoride.  I was trying to read things in more detail.  The Dr. Collins uses a combo of things that attract to each other--  One of them is something I noticed is a Filling Material that is becomeing popular with Dentist.  Their claim is your teeth are whitened because the restored/fused materials make them whiter by filling unseen damage in your teeth.  Instead of the route of removeing discolored things on your teeth.  A site notes that some other products try to use a similar system but with other elements and I thought two of those listed products were on the ADA Approvel list but they also had Fluoride.

Anyways, I am hopeing a dentist can look at them better.  One is named Dr. Collins Restore Remineralizing Toothpaste and the other is Nature Gate's Creme de Mint Natural Toothpaste I think.  Although Nature Gate's Cool Mint Gel Natural Toothpaste appears to have ingredients Dentist use (but stores do not carry that variation so I can't find the full desc/claim).

[highlight]I am going to get my next toothpaste online because all the stores around here are widdleing down to Crest and Collgate ONLY. They will likely keep a Close Up because places around here love to give that to the poor.[/highlight]

 

[Gordon]

Which one do you like the taste of better?

Basically that's all that's important in toothpaste. The main reason for using pastes is because they encourage you to brush your teeth long enough to actually do some good. So pick the one that tastes best. Nothing else matters in comparison

 

[sailortinkitty]

I have no clue how they taste XD

The taste is not what is important to me.

A Dentist online has suggested I try Crest Pro-Health Toothpaste because it has Stannous Fluoride instead of Sodium Fluoride. While I can't find anything about allergies yet, I am finding people complaining of sypmtoms that I now know are allergic reactions to the products with Stannous Fluoride that do not have those reactions with the other Crest toothpaste, so I am hopeing I can use that ( would be more convient to buy).

Stannous Fluoride has to be put in in about twice the concentration, this Toothpaste is approved by the ADA (with that ammount), and it has 4 properties important in dental products instead of one ( Sodium Fluoride is only considered to have one, though it is usually listed as haveing two). These products are also the types of Whiteners that whiten by remineralizeing teeth instead of stripping teeth.

 

[sailortinkitty]

Some places complain if you add a post like this.

I got the Crest Pro-Health Toothpaste (the store I was at had one flavor in one size and another in three sizes,.. which my mom kept grabbing the one I said I knew I had problems with the flavoring).

No pain but it heated up and did the mini dots thing so I knew it was probably going to peeal,.. which it is. *sighs*

Hopefully, it's just the flavoring. But I doubt I can get any other flavors around here.

 

[Snowbird]

For 15 or so years now my husband and I have been using Mentadent toothpaste. It has a high concentration of baking soda and peroxide that actually works wonders on plaque. The percentage is so high that it's not allowed to be sold here in Canada. We either bring back enough to last a year when we go to Florida or have one of my US friends buy some for me and mail it. My husband's dentist (I don't have a dentist) is so impressed with Mentadent toothpaste that he tells his patients go cross over to the US to buy it.

 

[sailortinkitty]

I used Mentadent for a couple years and it's recently finally popped up on this side of town in a store.

The problem is I am trying to find Toothpaste that do not have Fluoride but would help my enemal.  Mentadent has Fluoride.  I am trying to get away from Fluoride because that appears to be the X factor that I have problems with.

As for an update,.. I tried all the Pro-Health [flavors and even a Night Time one] and had problems with them all >.<  I am currently useing something that taste like an Orange Peel (it's made by Tom's of Maine) and only fights Plaque.  I am haveing trouble getting my mom to do things to help out.  She use to only get me Toothbrush between once in 6 months to immediately after dental appointments.  One of the reasons I like useing Electric is I can say " the battery's worn out,.. I can't brush" which still doesn't always work but helps me get Tooth brushes between 2 weeks and 3 and a half months depending on the Battery life and how long my mom puts off us getting Toothpaste and Tooth Brushes.  I do not live in a good neighborhood.

Right now she knows the name and phone number of a Dentist, she waited days to tell me and hasn't contacted them or given me either information.  Today I begged her and she said she wants to wait until mid to late November to call  >.<  Which I want to go immediately.  We should have gone ASAP for the teeth they attached together by the fillings and because I think one of the Dentist cracked one of my teeth,.. plus when that tooth was over filled to the point none of my other teeth could touch each other I kept slamming it into two teeth below it,.. one of which needs help because Students kept pricking it with a Drill a couple years ago and didn't fill those.  Eatting some times even bread still hurts.  I cannot floss between my two teeth,.. I even tried getting the floss pick things that aren't a string and that only proved that my teeth are too close together.

Added: and this Toothpaste is makeing my mouth dry,.. my lips have been getting chapped from it. Not as chapped as normal toothpaste.

 

[Zzzdentist]

Here's some different toothpastes:

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Check out the Remineralization toothpastes Fluoride free.

You may have some flattened marginal ridges preventing the floss from passing through. Sometimes if you ask, the dentist might be able to create a small access groove to make flossing easier. I've seen some teeth that are extra hard to floss. It's usually due to a problem where the tooth teeth meet.

Imagine placing two cubes of marble right next to each other. Tie them together at the base, and try to floss between the two at the top where they meet flush. Since the surface is flush it's hard to get the floss through. Now take a tool to make a slight groove at the interface to allow the floss to enter, and it should be easier to get the floss in.

 

[sailortinkitty]

Yes, one of these toothpaste is on that list. Online Dentist mostly lecture me about the benefits of Fluoride and deny anything works unless they are selling it :/ So I was hopeing I could run across some with some experience. So do you think I should get the Dr. Collins? I know if you look around that site they have some research results on it and some of their other products, but research likes to bend towards who pays for it so I wanted to ask around.

I would guess I have a small jaw. My teeth like to move around, too. When I think about it I don't think it's healthy what happens with my gums with most toothpaste ( they swell, become weak, and then shrink).

As for the two teeth attached by the fillings, the woman that filled them tried to put a piece of floss through them while she was working so they wouldn't be attached (so they were filled attached like this) but this stuff fills the same as if you get gum stuck to your teeth,.. the bumpiness and sharp points have been mostly softening down and flattening out with time and it's like it's shrinking if that maks sense. One of my teeth is still very bad (it has put a scratch in my cheek and gashes),.. I think the dentist cut off a corner or half of that tooth (so there isn't as much support) and the filling was too high and in a sharp point on the highest point left on the tooth,.. it feels like it has been picking out the tooth under it >.< For two fillings,.. one was lop sided and the other had many jiggid points cuting my tounge,.. for those they cut my teeth to make my teeth leveled/lined up with the fillings >.>

 

[Zzzdentist]

Hi,

Sorry I didn't read really carefully through the posts in this thread since I was a bit busy at the time. I just thought you were looking for a non-fluoride toothpaste. Are you certain that you are allergic to stannous fluoride and not SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate)? I could not find much information about stannous fluoride allergies online. Have you had any problems with sodium fluoride?

It might seem a bit strange, but as I dentist I don't really know that much about the various toothpastes out there. As Gordon mentioned, and what they teach at university is that toothpaste doesn't seem to play a major role in maintaining teeth besides exposing them to some fluoride/desensitizing agents. It's the physical action of brushing and flossing that does the most work. The toothpaste just kind of froffs up and gives a pleasant taste. The fine abrasive particles in toothpaste might assist a bit, but the brush bristles are what do the mechanical cleaning mostly I think.

My impression from what I've briefly read about calcium sodium phosphosilicate is that it seems to work as a desensitizing agent. Whether it helps "rebuild" or remineralize enamel I'm not sure about. It's strange since if it was better than fluoride in remineralization of enamel why would it not show up in more search results as the latest, greatest thing. I see information from 2004 so it's been around for some time. Mostly I see ads and paid "research" papers by Novamin which raises a few flags.

I would be cautious in believing certain claims without hard scientific evidence. You certainly can try using Dr. Collin's toothpaste, but it may not produce the results you might be hoping for. You might just be paying for snake oil I'm afraid.

I have dispensed and recommended Prevident 5000 toothpaste by Colgate just because of it's high fluoride content to people who experience chronic cavities. It seems to help a fair bit from what I've seen.

Regarding your two teeth that are stuck together, I would definitely recommend seeing a dentist to see what is going on there. In normal practice, it's not that easy to accidentally bond two fillings across two teeth together unless you're intentionally splinting them. That sounds very strange. I don't quite understand what's going on there.

 

[sailortinkitty]

BTW, I don't remember if I mentioned it here but I think the female Dentist cracked one of my teeth while she was drilling. She was drilling a bit low and the male dentist was drilling far too low.

SLS doesn't bother me. I was hopeing it would just be that, but I was fine with a couple toothpaste with SLS (I didn't have the same reactions).

I tried toothpaste that elimenated various aspects and it seems to be down to just the Fluoride it's self. Stannous Fluoride is in Crest Pro-Health Toothpaste. A Dentist online recommened it as an alternative to Sodium Fluoride. I didn't have ALL THE PROBLEMS I do with Sodium Fluoride toothpaste, but my skin heated up, bloated up, and peeled.

The last Sodium Fluoride Toothpaste I tried was something Dentist give after they put in fillings (or this one does) that is supposed to just be the Fluoride in a strong Concentration and a mild flavoring. My mom suggested it to try to make things clear. The symptoms I always had with Toothpaste came back and I noticed each time I used it an hour later I had an asthma attack. I had always thought it was chokeing on the peeling skin that caused me to have Asthma when I brushed my teeth but I wasn't chokeing on that skin. The first time I couldn't sit up and I kept falling asleep even though I wanted to get to my inhaler. The other times I was up and one of the times I couldn't inhale very well so the Inhaler wasn't very helpful.

With the exception of the times I had to use my inhaler when I was trying that toothpaste, I have only had to use my inhaler about 3 times this year since spring and those were not the same day or in consecutive Days. Before Spring is a long unimportant story but may have weakened my teeth.

And if you want to know about another Fluoride, there is one nicknamed "Calcium Fluoride" it come from the sea or ocean or whatever. It's full name is something like monofluorphthisis or something. Some of the toothpaste use it. As far as I know the only Toothpaste that's not Sodium Fluoride that has been approved by the ADA is Crest Pro-Health, which people appear to have the same reaction to as me,.. it's in a couple other toothpaste and people have that problem with them as well. So I guess more people are allergic to Stannus Fluoride then Sodium Fluoride.

I think J / A / S/ O / N or whatever the spelling is uses "Calcium Fluoride".

I don't think I want to try that because I know I am allergic to something in Fish and the big hype is you can get Fluoride from Fish-- which when people describe sounds like "Calcium Fluoride".

 

[Zzzdentist]

I wonder if you might benefit from having an allergist do some tests on you to find out specifically what things you are allergic to. That might help in narrowing down a few things and possibly verifying others.

 

[sailortinkitty]

I would really like that.  I haven't had Allergy/Scratch Test since I was about 10.

They only tested common things you are exposed to (Pets, Plants, Dust,.. etc).  No Foods or Additives.

I have had a bad Doctor for a while.  His stance on testing is you have to already be labled/diagnoised with the problem before he will let you take test to check it.  The only thing I have managed to get him to test was Thyriod (because I think something is wrong with my hormones), which he did because everyone female in my family has problems.  He didn't talk to me about the test results and it was only mailed to me,..  blah blah blah.  My mom use to demand testing be done because she has Diabetes ( she use to taunt me that she was safe because it skipped a generation so I was going to get it,.. now she has it).. every time I am tested I have a bladder or ut infection.  Whenever something is really wrong with my health or lungs I go to him.  I didn't the first couple times because I didn't know but I have caught on to when I am catching broncitis or something.  When I go to him he always says I'm great, my lungs are clar, but my throats a little red,.. then a week or so later I end up in the Emergency Room or in the Hospital with Bronictis, Infection, and Dehydrated.  Being dehydrated is oddly makeing needles easier on me because nothing feels better then Seline Soluation [or whatever the water drip is called].

When I talked to him about it he doesn't know anything about anything in toothpaste.  I have read that Fluoride Test are rare and can be difficult to find because it is preferred to establish that it is safe and beneficial.  [People are hurting my ears in reality so this has been hard to type.]

P.S. I was treated as a child for some things. My mom couldn't remember me ever being treated although she remembered giving me the Vitamins that went along with them. A couple years ago when we were loseing my Grandparent's house I found some of the old stuff from then,.. test and plans of treatment. The only thing I can remember the name of those things is I think Cadmium or something like that,.. it reminds me of the Tranq for Animals and for Killing Animals that one of her friends was useing illegally so it was the only name I could memorize. It looks like that or something similar normally attaches to Sodium Fluoride and it is not something that can be controled / stopped. I think I was told I needed to not eat the skins of fruits and avoid vegatables and something about pasterization,.. I'm not sure exactly what was said.. I was a child then.

 

[Zzzdentist]

That's too bad. I thought allergists could test for all sort of things. How do people find out that their children are allegic to red food colouring? That seems to be a common one. Also, don't they do peanut allergy tests and stuff like that?

Here's a link with some information:

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I wonder if there's an association in your part of the world where you can ask them questions.

 

[sailortinkitty]

XD I was just talking about that with someone.

I know I am allergic to atleast one of the Red Dye. There seem to be 2 or 3 Red Dye people are allergic to, a Blue, and a Yellow.

Unfortunately the standing in the United States of the Average American and Many Doctors is you are Completely Insane if you think you are allergic to a Dye. The reason appears to me to be they can only think of the Dye as "Color" (not as something tangible or with an origins).

One of the reds would make my cupalaries open up it seemed like (I would turn red) and then I would be Hyper-- the sum of all of the behavior combined seemed to be the equivilant of someone getting Drunk.

Colorful Food is popularly for Children and a Popular Means to get Kids to eat stuff.

I've figured out the Dyes are likely extracted from foods and plants that people could have slight allergies to, but not be able to handle a high potence.

 

[sailortinkitty]

I got a toothpaste by the second toothpaste.

I really like it. The temp toothpaste I was useing was too rough on my teeth. I got this because I found it in a store nearby.

I grabbed a sample of some gum with Xylitol in it (I can't spell it probably) that's sugar free. Now my mom wants more.

The Toothpaste and Gum were both Fluoride Free.